我玩了 4.5 年, 當然不是 only 在 macau 玩啦.......

star... 最 tight...

prima.... 最 loose....

party ... 最 fish..... d random 有 d 問題..... 但 d promotion 好正.....

green room ... 最正路....

我已經露了兩手..... 不是 only macau........ 但不方便多講.......

pk tracker 都有成 million hands......

呢hand 討論到此為止啦......

"呢邊個個都係咁打架ma" , 請問邊度呀!????????????????????????

不是人送錢... 而是他們經驗未夠.... 未夠精... 輸少少經驗就係個少少..... 話時話, 我星期五, 六 又去 macau..... 我打算 9 月 (做埋呢個學年) 開始在 macau 做 pros (可能是自認的... 但由於想加強信心, 暫時自認做 pros 先 啦... 打算 每月玩 20 days , 留番 10 days 放假......)

以我經驗, 很多人玩 QQ都係咁玩.... ... 比人RAISE 後, 又怕 VS AK, AA OR KK, JUST CALL, AND FLOP SMALL CARDS... 最後 QQ OVER PAIRS VS KK OVER PAIRS......

看來版主都算很 pros 啦.... 因為很少人會檢討自己的 hands..... 玩了就算.......


說多一HANDS 給你..... MIDDLE POS  HAS $1600..... I HAVE $4000 small BLINDS ($20)...

MIDDLE POS RAISE TO $200... EVERYONE FLOP AROUND TO ME AND i GOT (KK)..... i would like to slow play this time... and just call........

BIG BLINDS FOLD (POT = $410)....

THE FLOP IS 2, 6, 9 rainbow...
middle player bet $500 and I raise upto $1000 and he went allin and I think for a while and finally call... (I only lost to him with middle pairs + sets...)

when I call , he show QQ..... and I show KK.... and I won the big pots....

For this hands, If I re-raise upto $500 or $600 preflop...... I think he will call ... and see the flop... the flop is 2, 6, 9 and I will bet 2/3 to get more information....
or just check and wait for raise.... but he will flop if i do so.... because I show strength 2 times , he may flop, but if I slow play , he is difficult to guess..

and he don't know I will slow play aa or KK.....

其實都係個game structure問題...2/4 max buy 先400..變左好容易就commit 個pot. 迫到自己無得fold 有好有唔好啦.
所以我好中意vancover 間river rock casino. 2-5 nolimit 1000 max buy-in. 400 or 300 min唔sure係唔係.(coz 次次都full buy同ma個個都好少買好少入去)
我無話你唔岩,如果唔係我都唔push 佢all-in啦...但係如果大家都係有800-900 chips呢..你會點打呢手?我果日真係有諗過問佢..如果我有800 behiend佢會raise幾多.咁我就知佢係唔係真係醒喇:097:
仲有你果手我無咩意見..你position唔好..call佢都好正常...heads-up rite.
你都未答我~~如過果手1650 如果人地bet 800 你會唔會call?

(檢討自己的 hands)我身邊十個八個朋友都會..好正常...唔叫pro.由其係limit...成日問有無maxizmize. 如果咁都叫pro.咁我身邊都多pros wor..:028:

我係canada,d 細城到..講你都唔知架喇..打poker..打左6年幾吧..由5-10 limit打到去30-60limit..呢家5-10limit無人打就開左~1-2nolimit nolimit呢邊開左唔係好耐(1-2年到啦).等limit table果時會坐去玩下.不過每4個月呢邊都會有big tour..全canada同美國 central 都會有人飛黎玩...果時就係最正既時間...whole week cash game.我打poker都係為興趣only.日日坐係賭場..生活好死.好似我地呢邊有個 pros講..如果有心去搵錢.去calgary 打 omaha /hi pot limit 15-25 一係就去las vagas.

我呢邊都成日有人話自己係到搵錢架啦..table又唔多..你估個個都fish咩.有時我都見到佢地輸到pk啦...前幾個星期calgary個 5k buy in heads-up tour. jennifer tilt, mike ,joe hechem...etc 佢地都有去打完tour 打cash game..我朋友去左呢幾日返黎講果晚..有個local後生仔..killing the table :p

有份工做咩要唔做去..賭場做pros呢...唔介意話我知你幾大ma? anyways good luck

[ 本帖最後由 darylsing 於 2008-4-2 12:43 AM 編輯 ]

1 m hands is nothing man...=.=
6 tables playing each time can record 300k hands in one month...for me
BUT ONLINE POKER IS VERY DIFFERENT FROM LIVE POKER
I AM NOT MENTIONING THE ONE AT MACAU...THATS LIKE HOUSE GAME...
MOSTLY SILLY PLAY
ITS GOOD TO BE A PRO THERE AT THIS STAGE
我個POINT 係
以REAL PLAYER POKER黎講
係佢個CASE
一般SB 咁樣RAISE 都係好STRONG
PLUS佢PLAY得好TIGHT
係呢一手3 HANDED 既牌
我覺得唔一定係必CALL就算佢POT COMMITTED
我其實都唔想係度教人READ
但係呢個BASIC 既我就講一講啦
佢SB BET 2/3 OF THE POT
2 ND POSITION RE-RAISE
其實可以考慮佢RE-RAISE時有冇考慮後佢一個POSITION既人
如果樓主話佢唔係FISH , 做STONE-COLD BLUFF WITH RAISE -BET OF SB AND A PPL AFTER HIM NOT YET ACTION IS VY SILLY
IN THE CASE 如果佢有PP8- PPQ EVEN PPA, 佢係咪其實會考慮一下下一家呢
最起碼會望一望佢CHIPS OR 眼神會集中下一家度
所以如果呢手牌係HEADS-UP 我就會SURE COMMITTED TO CALL
但有下一家未做DECISION 的話其實仲可以得到一D TELL 再做決定的
呢D我覺得先係LIVE POKER 好玩之處
ONLINE POKER ARE ALL ABOUT ODDS...
HONESTLY IBREAKU我覺得你應該係TEXTBOOK PLAYER中既高手
NO OFFENCE, BUT GO VEGAS, MELBOURNE OR EVEN SYDNEY TO PLAY WITH SOME REAL PROS CAN LEARN MORE ABT LIVE POKER
ERIC ASSADOURIAN IS ONE OF THE TOP PROS I REGULARLY PLAY WITH AT STAR CITY CASINO
AND THOSE PROS ON $5000 TABLE AT MACAU IS NOT THAT PROFESSIONAL AS U MENTION I RECKON
THEY ARE GOOD AT MIX PLAY SEMI BLUFF
BUT BAD AT READING OTHERS
TOO MUCH SELF-BUILT CONFIDENCE CRACK THEM
IF U CAN READ OUT ALL HOSE "ROS" WEAKNESS" THEN U CAN BE KING THERE:097: :097:

經常有一句..."only can bluff out good player but not bad player.":071:

1)
你都好岩, 如果玩 d maximum buyin 多 d, 玩法完全不同... 因為不用... 常常 all-in.. 但其實好難玩... 因為如果你get aa, kk.. 一比人raise...
你就好危險.... e.g 5/10 game $5000 max (example), aa raise $50... 1 caller and the pot is $1xx...

flop and you bet 80 or pot bet to $1xx, you are being raised up to $250.... 你就好難玩.. 因為 大家 deep stakes, >$2000.....

所以如果你玩 deep stakes buyin game, 我會好好adjust my betting... 不能commit 太多... 所以 我可能會 call the raise...

就算係raise 都不會太多.... (i need to get more information..... for the 2nd round)

2) 但係如果大家都係有800-900 chips呢.., 我可能 just call the raise and see what happen.... (順便 slow play...., issue that i can win this hand)

如果佢 really get 3, 6 or 666.. or 33, 佢怕你 fold... 到佢可能 value bet.... 想你 call.... 就算你輸都唔會輸太多....

3) 如過果手1650 如果人地bet 800 你會唔會call?

我會 fold........ 當然, 看看樣先可以真正confirm... 因為有很多人... 的動作很容易被人知....

4) 可能是外國啦... 專業d....

5) 你同 jennifer tilt, mike ,joe hechem...etc 玩, 可能都可能win... 因為佢地玩得 very loose....
有時會不停輸..... , 但一比佢地多chips, 佢地就好勁... 超難玩....


6) "有份工做咩要唔做去..賭場做pros呢...唔介意話我知你幾大ma? anyways good luc"
我今年 30 years old.... macau live game 的 result 是 45 (晚)戰 , 41 (晚)win... , 最多輸一個 full buyin, 最勁win 15 個 full buyin,
.. 金額不便說出來, (但每月比份工多1.5 - 4 倍左右)

7) 而我呢份工好多時沒有工作, 常常等收工... 所以好想 resign..... (現在其實正在上班呢!!!)

其實我真正開始玩 live poker, 是由 1/2/2008 macau lisbon casino.....

所以我現在仍在學習中, 多多指教....

不過玩了幾次, 發現原來人有很多 poker tell, 去 買了很多 poker 的 書去學....

所以我的數學理論是 ok 的... 因為 看了 harrington book....

而心理學的是 daivd skylensky.... (high stake limit poker...)

loose play 的 是 super....

我會把所有學會的知識 mix together.... 一時玩得tight... 一時玩loose... 一時bluff... deception play...

一時 call big raise with 67s....

bluff the best and tight players, and play solid with fish...!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! this point is important.....


其實你地咁 pros, 應 去
http://www.twoplustwo.com

例如: http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/forumdisplay.php?f=19

而我 post uwants 是希望有多d 人去 macau 玩 poker....
twoplustwo.com 內的人好勁架.... 有時看了後我都唔明白.....

不如你地一起看.... 番來比d 意見啦..

AGAIN...
I AM NOT THAT PRO....I JUST PLAY A LOT WITH PROS...
AND...
I DONT READ POKER BOOKS MUCH
PLAY WITH SOME REAL PROS TO LEARN WHAT U CAN LEARN FROM TEXTBOOK
POKER TELL HAS TO READ FROM YOURSELF BUT NOT FOLLOWING THE RULES FROM THE BOOK
THATS MY OPINION
我覺得poker就同工作做生意一樣
睇書返學都係學一d基本concept
最重要既就係實踐
即係你跟一個好既boss or 成功生意人學做野or做生意
點都好過你大學之後仲係咁拎住本書睇
right? 即係master or phd 一般其實都唔及d大學grad+做左幾年野跟一d好老闆學野既人一樣, 係做野能力上
poker我覺得都係一樣道理
都係個人意見only:097:

[ 本帖最後由 waterwaterzzz 於 2008-4-2 11:00 AM 編輯 ]

哈哈...我都係..唔多睇書...exp + 同下d勁人吹下水...打多d....就得啦...玩之ma~~又唔係返工..
自問自己好懶...你要我睇fourm同書學poker...真係唔頂唔順...
個人認為high stake好打d...因為d人唔會係唔係就all-in...你話怕人地all-in bluff 走你...你估人地唔怕你got the nut and call 架咩...high stake..係分別你識唔識fold...唔係識唔識 all-in...因為deep stack. good player 係唔會咁易就放哂自己d chip 入去...反而咁樣你會get 多d information 同 read.
呢邊有月刊"cards player" 入面好多article 係d pros 寫...講真...d pro 收左錢...定期要交貨咁...入面d野..有時都好吹水..成日都見d鬼仔搵黎睇架啦...仲努力過我溫書....我就帶d class note 去poker room 一邊玩一邊溫..佢地就一邊睇果本野..一邊打...咪又係要輸....=.=成日講ma d theory, 講同用係兩件事...好似讀完bussiness出黎做生意唔通一定搵到錢架咩...有幾多個老闆係讀bussiness架...
事實上..好多pros佢寫同做真係兩件事...想學..真係要俾錢同佢地打下就知架喇...最坐係佢隔離..佢俾你睇佢每手點打就做好..(不過好多pro都唔會手手俾你睇,自己都唔會咁做啦) lol 不過..有幾多就睇幾多啦...

[ 本帖最後由 darylsing 於 2008-4-2 08:01 PM 編輯 ]

EXACTLY
講同做係2回事
玩POKER同做野一樣子
要有THEORY底再加臨場反應同應變能力
唔係一味拎住本書同係FORUM睇資料就可以玩得好
TEXTBOOK PLAYER CAN ONLY WIN $$ FROM FISHES..
但呢個世界既FISH其實係愈黎愈少既TREND