darylsing

9個人. 2-4 nolimit
under the gun call $4 , late position call$4 , 你pocket kk small blind rasie $25
big blind fold, under the gun call 25 late position call 25
total pot $79 flop come 3,6,6 rainbow flop
你bet $60. under the gun rasie u 150. late position fold  under the gun 有 $800-900 chip 你bet完60之後..你自己仲有..200 left
咁你會點做what is ur next move?? 佢係一個..中上既player. mix up play style. 你俾人既image就係 tight/aggersive.

IBREAKU

其實呢 hands 十分好打....

因為 你只得 ($25 + $60 + $200)

而你 1 raise 就 $25... $4 big blind = 6 blinds....
$25 是否 normal raise at your table????

anyway!!!

flop 了 3 66 之後, 好明顯是 good flop....

你 bet $60 , 佢 raise 你, 你就只有 all_in  (跟本沒有選擇權.....)

如果
CASE1: 佢可能 get 77, - QQ ... (50% - 55%)
CASE2: 佢可能 get A6, 67s, ..... (30% - 35%)
CASE3: 佢可能 get AA...(機會不大) <=5%)
CASE4: 33 OR 66.... (機會很低) <=5%)
因為 如果 FLOP FULL HOUSE, 佢可以 SLOW PLAY....

如果係 CASE3, 你怎樣玩都係輸...... 所以不用再說....
如果係 CASE1, 又係不用說
最怕是 CASE2.....

而且佢是 HIGH STAKE, 而你STAKES 不多......

所以由心理方面 OR MATHS 方面 OR EXPERIENCE OR POT ODD 方面 都應該 ALL_IN :034:

至於WIN OR LOSS 不是一個問題的....... :025:

如果佢開 A6S, 67S.....or AA OR 33 你只可以 說 (nice hands.... 輸都無話可說) :097:
如果佢是 HIGH STAKE, 佢多數是 67S, 6AS.......
就算是輸都一定要 ALL-IN .... :035:

有一次我玩 NL$2000, MACAU LIVE GAME.... 我由 $2000 WIN 到 $6000, 有一個 TIGHT PLAYER(LATE POSITION) RAISE UPTO $150 ($20 BID BLIND) 7.5 BLINDS RAISE...

我 GET 67 SUITED..... (SMALL BLINDS POSITION)
一般 RAISE $80 OR $100, 但佢是 VERY TIGHT AND PRE_FLOP RAISE PETTY MUCH!!!
所以佢一定 是 1010, JS - AA....

而我CALL 是 刻意 CHANGE MY CALLING STYLE ( 因為我又係 TIGHT, 好少CALL WEAK HAND OR MAIGINAL)

1 FLOP 就是 277..... (正.... 佢最好GET AA)....

我CHECK, 佢BET $200......

我 IMMEDIATELY RAISE UPTO $600.... HE CALL QUICKLY...
THE TURN IS k.... (THIS IS A DANGEROUS CARD... IF HE REALLY GET KK.....) .......

i went all_in $1200 AND HE STILL CALL.....
AND THE RIVER IS NO HELP FOR BOTH PLAYER....

AND i SHOW 67.... (TRIP) AND HE MUCH HIS HANDS...... AND I WIn THE BIG POT AND
1 PLAYERS IMMEDIATELY said "very nice hand...."

nicolas0

同意ibreaku, u don't have much of choice now..situation is good...u beat any over pair...anyone trying to bully u....only lose to the one with AA 33 or with a 6...but  he's the one utg....normally ppl would raise there with AA...even if they just limp in with AA, they'll reraise u when u raise to get some more money in the pot and even happier if u re-reaise him all in ...so AA highly unlikely...regular player highly unlikely to have A6 utg and call facing a big raise there.....in my opinion,he might overplay AK or having pp under JJ..suited connector or gap connector is possible but since u got nothing much...that's not what u should be worrying about...anyway..."I" can't fold there....if u got beat..just say nh and REBUY...U'LL GET HIM NEXT TIME!....but after all,unless u've been playing him for a while,knows his style of play and put him on something that can beat u....U should never give up there.

darylsing

我就係好似你地咁講...put 佢 all-in 囉....
佢6h3h..只有講good hand...我一路係咁諗係唔係可以fold...因佢一定知我有over pair..佢raise我...150迫我commit左個pot..我一定put佢all-in...flop左之後..一直都俾佢估中哂我會點...play so stupid.
因為佢一raise.i can beat bluff only....如果我係佢....only 200 left...點bluff得走...咁我會唔會stupid到 raise 你100 more..你就會走人? 佢打得好好...真係好好..and i stupid call..

IBREAKU

你只可以話佢玩得好!!!

而你allin 輸了, 亦沒有錯.... 我們要auto win in long run... not win every hand!!!!!!!!!!!! and we cannot win every hand!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

deep stakes + deception play or call is a terriable play and you have been lost to good player...

bookmark him and beware of him next time......

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原帖由 darylsing 於 2008-3-31 06:33 PM 發表
我就係好似你地咁講...put 佢 all-in 囉....
佢6h3h..只有講good hand...我一路係咁諗係唔係可以fold...因佢一定知我有over pair..佢raise我...150迫我commit左個pot..我一定put佢all-in...flop左之後..一直都 ...

darylsing

我都明..但係...我都係想play the hand perfect. 明知係輸都要call...咁就係stupid play..好在就係我only 200left. 如果唔係呢手就sux me in仲多喇...不過主要係佢...佢唔係傻仔...所以果個情況..佢90%無可能bluff我...如果佢都係big pair qq or aa..好似你講...佢一定three bet 係pre-flop到,因為佢got my position. 如果佢係 10s below. 佢點會raise 100 迫我commit個pot呢.因為佢會set我pocket jj or bigger. 佢rasie 我100 我push all-in...79+60+150+200=489 佢都係call 多110. 佢都同樣commit個pot..佢點會fold呢.一定係got the nut..輸得心服口服.

IBREAKU

hand perfect 不一定是win....

就算是輸也是 perfect 的....

(明知係輸都要call...咁就係stupid play), 這句我不同意... 除非佢開比你看, 又或者你偷看到他的 hole card...

e.g

我get AT... and the flop 223  , turn 7 and river 5.....

if the pot is $150... someone bet $10....

我都會call.... 就算佢開 3, 5 or 7.......

如果你因為loss 了 一 hand (正確玩法 smart play), 因為輸而認定自己是 stupid play...

你就未去到 poker 的最高境界了......

又或許你 get jj and flop jd 2d 3c .... 你bet the flush drawer and protect your sets..... with 2/3 pots....

e.g the turn is 8s.... and the pot is $600...

you bet $400 ....and he call... and the pot is : $1400..........

and he call , and the river is the third diamond and he get the river flush and win the big pot....

you check but he bet $200..... will you call...?????????

are you stupid if he really get the flush...??....

you just bad luck but may be a good play...
you force the drawer to invest $400 to win $1000 pots...
1: 2.5 but he hit the flush with 1: 4.25........

he must lost the draw in long run , but he is lucky this time....

you need to push $200 to try to win $1650.............
1: 8.........

and I can answer you I will call and see you he get and why he call....


next time , will you continue to bet when you know someone 4 to flush????

and that $200 is not a stupid play.....

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原帖由 darylsing 於 2008-4-1 05:57 AM 發表
我都明..但係...我都係想play the hand perfect. 明知係輸都要call...咁就係stupid play..好在就係我only 200left. 如果唔係呢手就sux me in仲多喇...不過主要係佢...佢唔係傻仔...所以果個情況..佢90%無可能bl ...

darylsing

果然係高手...真係唔係好明...anyways...你果d...係...150 先用 10 去find out....1650 先用 200 去find out....我係all in 去find out...唔可以咁比...我係...200 去find out 400既pot..又點同呢...咁flash draw果手...1650 人地 bet...800 你又call唔call呢? 仲有..我好在only 200 left..如果我仲有800係後面...咁個turn同個river..會suck我幾多呢...?

[ 本帖最後由 darylsing 於 2008-4-1 04:05 PM 編輯 ]

IBREAKU

可能我只係自認高手, 其實是水野!!!

.... 如果入唔到ear, 就算啦!!

如果 kk raise and flop 366.... 你都唔allin... 又怕人玩得勁...

不如離枱好過...... 問一問自己是想 win money or 同高手比較...

如果是 WIN money, 最好選擇離枱...., 如果同高手玩, 3, 6 (心服口服 啦... very very nice hand and nice play)

以我已前的所有 kk history 來看....  大多數是 qq, jj or 10 10..... (都唔知 win 得幾多.....)

平均 100 次只有 4 - 5 次 是 aa...
5 - 6 次 是 a6....

3 次 是 33 or 66....

0 - 1 次 是 你所說的 3 , 6....

1 - 2 次 是 kk........

90 次左右 是 88 - qq...  

如果以 case 100 次 計數... $400 no limit game...

90 x 400 (double up with full stake, roughly counting....)
5 x -400 (a6)
3 x - 400 (33, 66)
1 x -400 (3,6)
1 x 0 (kk, lost raked $3 or $5)


= 36000 - 2000 - 1200 - 400 - 0 = + 32400!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

就算計埋 88 - qq (but outdrawn turn or river....)

最少都 win $25000 啦......   如果同樣的 hands, 我玩多 10000 次都沒有問題啦.... 你只係看到自己 lost 而不開心...

朋友: it's poker!!!

如果被勁人 raise flop 366 就 fold... 你要 get 什麼 hands 先可以 allin.... , 33 or 66 or 3,6.....

win $25000 , 只輸了 一 hands 3, 6, 唔洗寄在心......

有時我 由 $2000 玩到 $10000, d 人問我怎樣 win, 我有時都會唔寄得,... 因為 好平常....

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原帖由 darylsing 於 2008-4-1 02:49 PM 發表
果然係高手...真係唔係好明...anyways...你果d...係...150 先用 10 去find out....1650 先用 200 去find out....我係all in 去find out...唔可以咁比...我係...200 去find out 400既pot..又點同呢...咁flash dr ...

darylsing

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